113. Chris Blanchard | Purple Pitchfork Farm Consulting | Madison, Wi

CHrisBlanchardBio

Chris Blanchard provides consulting and education for farming, food, and business through Purple Pitchfork. As the owner and operator of Rock Spring Farm since 1999, Chris  raised twenty acres of vegetables, herbs, and greenhouse crops, marketed through a 200-member year-round CSA, food stores, and farmers markets. Prior to 1999, Chris managed student farms, worked as an intern, packing house manager, plant breeding assistant, and farm manager, and provided consulting for a major organic processor, in California, Wisconsin, Maine, and Washington state. His workshops, writing, and consulting throughout the country about farm business concepts, food safety, organic vegetable production, and scaling-up have gained a reputation for fresh approaches, down-to-earth information, and honesty.

Chris Blanchard runs the Purple Pitchfork and Farmer-to-Framer podcast.

Tell us a little about yourself.

Event

I’ve always been operating

I spent 25 years farming. Eventually ended up on my own place in Decora Iowa

20 acres of vegetables,  year round production in our high tunnels, polyethanola

perennial herbs and storage crops that we were selling primarily in Minneapolis as well as through a CSA. I decided to close things down ended up ramping that up, launched the Farmer-to Farmer Podcast just about a year ago. That’s been a whole lot of fun!

Wow! So you just started out as a farmer?

 

So I got started in farming. I actually grew up in the city. I grew up in Seattle. After high school went to college, dropped out of school

Was a ski bum in Aspen for about a year and a half., finagled my way into this liberal arts school on cali Nevada line. It’s called Diets springs.

located on a working beef and alfalfa ranch, all the students work on the ranch as part of the education program. I thought I was gonna go be a cowboy, but the job they stuck me with was in the garden. It turned out to be a really good thing. I learned 2 things, one, I was afraid of cows and 2. I loved growing vegetables!

a friend who died in high school and it through me for a loop and I didn’t really know what to do with that. Oh, people die, not everything lasts for ever.

In the garden, your stuck in that circle of life all the time, stuffs living, stuff’s dying all the time, your killing things, your putting things on the compost pile. Everything clicked for me

these are the answers that I have been traveling

in the garden, we we’re raising vegetables for the community

all the vegetables during the growing season we’re coming from, they called it the garden, but really if you’re growing for 50 people that’s a small farm. We were growing on 2 acres of vegetables .

got my start working on other farmers.

decided that’s what I was gonna

started working for others farmers.

Fairview Garden Farms, located inside the suburbs of Santa Barbara. Literally surrounded by houses, you can smell the McD’s from the fields.

2 months doing Farmer’s Markets, that really cemented it for me

Finish horticulture degree in Wisconsin, for the last 2 years of my undergrad. Worked for more farmers out here.

gradually making way

save enough money to get started on my own place.

Tell me about your first gardening experience?

I hated doing yard work.

Seattle’s gorgeous. 

Sometimes I end up back there, in Feb or March and I’m always amazed at how green it is.

now I’m in the upper midwest,

so March everything is gray,

and there’s green things everywhere

no understanding or appreciation

I hated any kind of yard work that was not my thing. The piece that was missing was that connection with the food. We didn’t have vegetable gardens. We had lawns, flowers and landscape ornamentals

i remember having a garden when we were 4 years old. Thats about the extent of the details

My first ex[eeriness was getting thrown into the meat

You can go to school and learn how to be a cowboy  at the same time for free!

I t was actually founded in 1917 by a hydro electric engineer. We like to say

2 greats social experiments started in 1917 and one of them is still around.

Maybe listeners will want to check that out and want to go there.

What does organic gardening/earth friendly mean to you?

Mostly for me, it’s doing as little harm as you can do. Funny thing about gardening and in fact farming the way it’s practiced. Annual production is a disruptive process. It’s inherently unsustainable to be doing annual cropping, trying to keep the right things alive and the right things dead so the right things can flourish,

You want to do that with as little harm as you possibly can to yourself, to the rest of the environment, not putting on excessive soluble fertilizers that end up leaching into the soil or not putting on toxic herbicides and

you mean bey keeping the right things alive and the 

you mean keep the weeds dead?

certain bugs dead, certain bugs alive

part is organic farming, even though there are materials that are technically organic. Doesn’t mean they are the right things to be using. There are some go

Organic

rotenone, in 1990s allowed on most organic farms, currently not allowed,

USDA doesn’t allow Rotenone, because it’s a horrible fish poison. It’ really effective at knocking down cucumber bette.es

also knocks down everything else in the field, doesn’t want a sterile field

at the same time we need to control that because we have essentially already disrupted the cycle. We’ve already made a gash in nature’s skin, we want to produce things

we have a responsibility to manage that disruption. This is something I talk about with my farm clients, management is everything It’s all about deciding what the outcome is

holistic approach as possible. It’s not I want to have broccoli. It’s I want to have broccoli full of nutrients,

does the least amount of harm to the environment that’s being grown

look a the resources and activities that you’ve got available then you have to use this resources and conduct that

move towards that to find objective. All of those come in this context of we’ve decided to to take an active role

we’re here. We’re either gonna be in control it is or

Do you want to tell listeners about the consulting work that you do?

Purple Pitchfork Consulting Work

The work I do, I slid into this.

Most of my work with growers. It’s primarily vegetable farmers, some work with meat producers, mostly vegetable farms. Working o the business side of things.

employee management, financial management

thinking about your farm like a business. Most people get into farming for lifestyle problems, quality of life.

answered all my questions

the problem with getting     ‘ that

doesn’t do you very good for keeping you in business.

I also do a lot of work twit post harvest handling

what happens when you harvest , keep it as  fresh as possible for a s long as possible

minimize the handling

food safety side of things, how do you keep food from getting contaminated and minimize the spread of contaminations

always geeking out on when you have a

listeria outbreaks the cantaloupes Im on that like a hawk.

really as a gardener

wash your hands before you handle your produce

basic food safety in the kitchen. Most food safely issues and food borne illnesses come from contamination in the kitchen.

rinsing your chicken or cutting your chicken with a knife, and using that knife or that sink to cut or wash vegetables, then you have the op to

really as a gardener not a whole lot to be concerned about. If theres feces on your p[produce don’t pick it. If there’s bird poop on the broccoli you probably don’t want to eat that broccoli, just don’t take the chance?

What about if you’re gonna be selling stuff at the

The food safety

any time

produce rule for over $25k worth of produce there’s a chance your’ gonna be subject to the produce rule. If you’re interested I encourage you to check out purple pitchfork.com.

and how those are gonna work.

There is a law in this country  that you can’t sell adulterated produce.

produce that has microbiological contamination, so if it has organisms that could make you sick.

you have to take appropriate steps to keep that safe.

if you’re selling to restaurants, or at a farmers market, and your a small scale grower

pay attention to those common sense things around keeping your food safe. The most common sense thing is, wash your hands before you handle the produce

wash your hands before

Stuff like don’t pee in the garden.

manage your manure

putting it on the garden, make sure you’re not putting it right onto crops you’re going to be harvesting soon and preferable not on growing crops at all.

put it on ground where you don’t currently have vegetables,

good amount of time, 90-100 days

between you apply the manure and you’re harvesting vegetables.

most stuff is just common sense.

Who or what inspired you to start using organic techniques?

I’ve always been an environmentalist. I was raised in a reasonably ecological house, my parents weren’t hippies, but i think my dad wanted to be one.

the gardens

were managed organically

rest of the farm, was very environmental conscious operation. The vegetable program was all organic from the start.

never learned how to farm with chemicals

I did work for the University of Wisconsin.

potato country

heavy chemical operation, i’s kind of funny they sent me out to spray with round up one time.

go spray these weeds with roundup

and nothing happened

I thought that herbicides were this big bad thing.

they should have been curling up and dying.

I never approached  It was always the deflate. I have to give credit to my mentors, Dave and Jane Seidel farm managers at Dietz College very heavily invested in the organic idea. So it just really never occurred to me it was an option to do it any other way.

Nice that’s the way we need to get everybody.d

 

Tell us about something that grew well this year.

This is the first year in 20 years that I didn’t grow anything. We moved

I did buy some

in Decora Iowa, didn’t have time to et a garden started. I did buy some plants, in some herb planters here.

I kept them alive for like a month in some 3 inch pots, we moved into the house in like a 3 week period.

the squirrels and rabbits are insane! Maybe you have some suggestions for that?

the herb plants alive and on top of the fence.

I’d say that was a success. If you’re moving and can manage to grow anything I’m pretty excited about that.

Is there something you would do different next year or want to try/new?

Next year I’m really excited about gardening. Framing and Gardening have a lot in common. I don’t know how to grow just a few of anything.

If you plant tomatoes, you plant 100 tomato plants.

I have 2 tomato plants, I’m gonna make this grow.

Im hoping it leaves some room for experimentation and just some fun. When your faming right? Your ass is on the line

you make a decision about planting something it’s got to work.

room for failure is gonna be kind of neat.

I’m kind of curious about how to grow 100 tomatoes plants? How to go from gardening to farming? Let me tell you a little bit about our situation. We’ve always had a water shortage.

What should we start to think about if we were gonna produce stuff for market?

If you want to produce to make

make sure you have the resources

Plants are made of soil, water, air and sunshine. Of those things, the sunshine and the air, we get as much of those as they need, but we have to make sure they have enough nutrients in the soil and that you have enough water.

One of the things that I see with beginner farmers. they don’t get enough water on their crops

This whole idea of an inch a week.

water is the cheapest fertilizer you can get.

growers who have very carefully managed their water, have triple your yields though irrigation management

when you triple your yields.

if your gardening, I don’t think anyone wants to do anything inefficiently

picking beans is part of the outcome

time you spend outdoors

that picking the beans time becomes an expense

triple the yields, you’re grabbing 3 times as many beans with every handful

every time you’re

your moving down the row

you have to walk less far to get each bucket of beans

efficiency goes way up in terms of harvest.

If you have that deep well you probably have the capacity to

Commercial growers

tools to do the weed control

things get harder as you go through the season

pretty easy to put seeds in the ground, pretty easy to put transplants in the ground

keeping weeds under control

nothing less fun of picking a 100 foot row of anything out of the weeds. You want to make sure you have the tools that are appropriate to the scale that your’e operating at.

If you have a 400 square foot garden you can probably get by with a a garden hoe that’s sufficient

1/2 acre 20000 square feet trying to do that with a  standard garden hoe, is not gonna work

If you come home from a job.

making sure yo’ve invested in the tools to get that job done right

people who are self-identified and are listening to the organic garden podcast.

 

relatively advanced in your growing

That whole concept to f succession planting  growing becomes really important int he market place.

Everything comes in by august and then they’re  one by labor day

trick for being a professional grower

having product

every two weeks so you have the first crop of beans, second crop of beans

all coming in in succession planting.

So I have 2 questions.

1. What are the important tools that you need?

Tools

Rototiller/Walking Tiller

experience that harvest over a much longer period of time

At a half acre I’d want to have a  1/2 acre a roto tiller- a good rototiller

takes a long time to till up a 1/2 acre of ground

if I was

BCS walking tiller … (BCS sponsors my podcast, but I’ve also used them since 1991

2 wheeled tractor but it’s built like a farm implement. At a 1/2 acre your crossing into farmland.

Hoes

Colonial Hoe

Want to make sure that I had a good selection of hoes

A colonial hoe for every person working on the farm.

What’s a  colonial hoe?

This is the  coolest weeding tool ever

thin bladed 8”wide, and one inch thick.

blade

keep it razor sharp

walk down the field with it like a broom

got to do it the weeds within a few days of when they germinate before they put on their true leaves

another

Shuffle hoe

good shuffle hoe

line of tools that Peaceful Valley Farm supply

Real is a swiss company

Glazer

well built tools, sturdy

oscillating blade, goes click click click.

ground that’s a little bit harder

1/2 acre tools

Bed Rake

Good bed rake,

MarketGardener  Jean-Martin Fortier,

30” beds system

rakes would be

efficiency

You can’t spend all day making beds

Broad-fork

the other tool

This is a JM Fortier standard.

 

The broad fork is a 30” wide digging fork

6 tines across

those tines are each 12-15” long

do deep tillage

helps roots grow downward

rather then growing out to the side.

barebones set up

that’s what I’d

Up to about 2 acres,

you can turn it around in a small amount of space

Spend the money on the 2 wheeled walking tractor

It;’s really hard to get good utilization on your land.

 

You can turn in a small space

It’s really versatile

What yo get for the money you spend is pretty dramatic

buy tools a

power farrow

tines don’t go tumble forward

they rotate farther

gentler job of stirring the

You can get those tools for

Thinking about it’s not just about being able to sit down and ride on the tractor

how much is the whole

what’s the next step

What am I gonna want two years…

Short season climates that can be

look at things growing

We have 20 acres but most of it is just trees. Right now it’s just small… WE had water shortage problems last year, we had a really hot season. It seems like a lot of our things you put it in the ground

In short season climates you look at things. What kind of things can I reliable do? Instead of say

tomatoes outside

Im gonna do salad greens

I can do a lettuce transplant

I can put that in the field by June first…

Salad mix, harvest stage 21-24 days

focusing on those things where you can really turn over crops quickly. and things that aren’t that frost tender…

frost free dates, are relatively the same over a huge swath of the country. I farmed out in Maine

we had the same frost that we had there that we have here.

May 15th – Sept 15/23rd

You plant tomatoes here on May 15th and you’re gonna have tomatoes by August.

coast of Maine, and your still gonna be lucky to harvest by the time the frost comes around in late sept

very different in number of degree days and how much heat your getting to grow that plant.

plants the biology is driven by the heat.That’s how fast the chemical reactions that grow the

become a rutabaga farmer. I like rutabagas and raddichio

better that rutabaga

Radicchio

I was listning to your interview with the guy from the Brooklyn grange today because you were talking about where’s your production money coming from. By the first week 

If your growing a crop Lettuce

spinach on march 15th

Spinach and letuce

last year b the end of February you could work the soil

that’s where that succession comes in.

Another crop on ____ Another crop on apritl 1st. Another crop on apritl 15th.

Keep planting with those shorter season crops.

Which activity is your least favorite activity to do in the garden.

This is gonna found for anyone who’s listened to my show or been to any of my workshops. But my least favorite activity is planning

I get stuck down in the weeds,

you don’t things without planning

that’s not the part that I enjoy. I much prefer being out there doing the

Do yu have any basic steps people could follow?

Working backwards, how much do you want to harvest, how much do you need to plant to be able to harvest that? When do you need to be able to plant it?

If you are gonna transplant? how many transplants

looking out and saying

what do I want to end up with.

what are the resources to get there to get to my goal and then making sure that you have those resources on hand, and that you have the time and the appropraite number of hands as you get that done.

I did just interview Richard Wiswall and he was one of the first ones to say that to me in that way exactly, or IDK it sunk in. I am 

What is your favorite activity to do in the garden? What do you love to get out there and do?

Napping in the garden, laying down on the soil,

feeling the mycelial creep coming up around you…

going down in ,

Love that I think that’s like the best thing in the world.

eating

There’s so much  people miss out of… I was robbed of..

there’s nothing

Put it right in my mouth. You’re right there.

This is the fundamental act of creationYou’re taking form what what grown on the earth, in the earth and you are what you are putting on the

making it part of you. it’s so raw! I love all of the sensations that go around that.

same sunshine that is beating down on your shoulders, beating down on that plant and causing everything to happen. You’re just so right there!

That was beautiful. Love that! Totally!

What is the best gardening advice you have ever received?

Give the plants what they need, plants are made of soil, and the sunshine and water that they need,

if you’re gonna grow tomatoes

make sure

keep the weeds out of the way

make sure that you have the nutrients in the soil

look out in nature

not every plant grows everywhere

There’s a thing your plants really wants that maybe your lawn doesn’t need to thrive.

has the nutrients that you need

cool thing about gardening want to make sure that it has enough

choose from that cornucopia

hydroponic gardening

how do we know what the plant wants? They

constantly discovering new things that we didn’t know  existed in the universe,

what those plants need

taking your soil tests make sure that your

making sure they have enough water.

can’t emphasize

you’ve gotta put the water on there.

if you want to maximize your production

gotta put

Dry Farming Tomatoes

dry farming tomatoes can make for some amazing tasting tomatoes.

take a tomatoes

tomatoes were

go out with a post hole digger,e dig down in 18 inches deep, so just the top so just the growing tip was out, then they wouldn’t water the tomato. The tomatoes that grew on there were

really made for great tasting tomatoes but that

doesn’t work with lettuce

If in California

doesn’t rain and then you get a 2” rainfall all your tomatoes are gonna just crack. I’ve seen acres and acres

under irrigated

that’s just a waste

Not so much in the garden because you can eat them but you can’t sell cracked tomatoes.

I think i did hear someone talk about it.

I wouldn’t do that with lettuce. I’d keep watering that lettuce right up until the day I was gonna harvest it.

 

A favorite recipe you like to cook from the garden?

We’re kind of funny in my family.

Do you want to tell listeners what Radicchio is if they don’t know?

raddichio is this gorgeous red ball wrapped into one. It’s this

bitterness that’s different

I get frustrated with bitter

it happens in a different place in your tongue

mistake it for a red cabbage

red cabbage is really purple where as radicchio is really red.

comes in a variety of different forms

softball sized shaped head

 

works best in the fall

does fantastic

particularly in Italy

take it

chop it into one inch squares

then put it in a bowl, add a bunch of olive oil, a little bit of balsamic vinegar salt it generously

let it sit for about an hour,

vinegar, other flavors

It’s just the most fantastic salad

love this salad at Thanksgiving

stores really well

in the cooler,

harvest it in mid sept

and still put it on your thanksgiving plane

contrast the

for under-utilized

Winter radishes, water melon radishes

beauty heart radishes

they’re bright pink on the outside and on the inside.

storage crop

on the 43rd latitude

Madison, Wisconsin

all of the places we plant these radishes at like the end of July. and we let them grow up.

baseball soft ball sized thing, thinking like a turnip and its’ got this bright pink interior. It’s got the most … taste… they’re slightly bitter in the way radishes are biter

inside is sweet, it’s a really sweet and crunchy vegetable! I like to take those and grate them or if you have a mandolin with a mandolin

turn it into a juliene

then toss that.

sesame oil and some white wine

Umeboshi plum vinegar (not too much of that just a little  cause that’s a flavoring thing. )

maybe a bit of sugar

Toss that together, let it sit overnight  is best and throw it in a colander

let it drain out,

Make up a huge batch of that.

side salad

store it in a fridge

half cup/handful

late June/early July that would give

fun things you can do

with a mandolin

pull it out and refuse to put it away and use

take those root crops and slice them really thin

1/16th of an

almost every day with my lunch or my dinner.

This is something I am learning with my podcast. You say plant it as a fall crop. You put it in the July?

We would plant to have it in

That would give us

 

There’s a lot of really fun things you can do with raw root crops.

I love my mandolin my partner teases me about it because I put it out and pu

brings that out and it

turnip and rutabagas it’s a completely different experience then the

WE don’t grow turnips or rutabegas. It seems like another reason is they get buggy?

flea beets, little black jumping beetles that get on brassicas

those will also attack your winter radishes

we would plant rutabegas around June 15th

late July in upper midwest the flea beetles aren’t a problem anymore

I talked earlier about not going out and spraying the

PYGANIC

Pyrethrin made out of poisonous daisies

right over the row

knock down those beetles

give a little protection.

Is there a favorite tool that you like to use? If you had to move and could only take one tool with you what would it be?

I’d take my colonial hoe, that fine bladed hoe for taking care of .

Mandolin

What a mandolin is, is a tool, that is used for creating rapidly even slices of a product.

12 or 16 inches long, on an inclined plane maybe 4-5 inches wide

in the middle you can adjust how high that blade is, you slide the vegetables over it, and you slice them that way

use the guard! Use it the way they tell you.

She said their sharp! 

you’re going hard!

 

 

 

A favorite internet resource?

Purple Pitchfork and Farmer-to-Framer podcast.

I don’t turn to the internet for

pretty connected guy

A favorite reading material-book, mag, blog/website etc you can recommend?

Favorite reading material

farmer prospective

making living from selling vegetables

Growing for Market magazine by farmers for farmers

how to manage your business

I’m really excited about JM Fortier

I think about the ones that guided me through my initial experiences

really Eliot Coleman’s new organic grower

I think he’s impractical taking about 5 acres

NewSelf-SufficientGArdenerI love John Seymour’s The New Self Sufficient Gardener

I used to sit in my dorm room.

 

 

Final question

If there was one change you would like to see to create a greener world what would it be? For example is there a charity or organization your passionate about or a project you would like to see put into action. What do you feel is the most crucial issue facing our planet in regards to the environment either in your local area or on a national or global scale?

No brainer.

We need more small scale organic farmers,

I’m not talking about doing 1-2 acres

but also for different corps

100-200.300 acres

We need more farmers

more in touch with growing their food.

I talked about my environmental ethos.

How I came into ag from that prospective

If you want to change the world you change how we eat

more land is used for farmland for any other purpose! And so if you farm or ranch land.

if you change how we’re managing that. Then you’re change the planet.

you cant make that from an office

We need people on the ground, we need people succeeding at farming! More small scale organic farmers. What that comes down to. More people willing pay

you should be eating organic produce, organic produce and organic food and preferelaby local organic food.

Who said saving the world is easy?

I don’t do easy

It ain’t easy, it’s hard work

it sucks to think about everything you do all the time. I don’t want to come off as a purist. I have places that I compromise. There’s limited amount of dollars in my wallet.

making those choices when

if you want to succeed at farming you have to be good at growing. You have tomato money.

that’s how you can buy the seeds the next year

how you pay to stay on the land.

you pay your taxes so your kids can go to college

If we can’t have farmers do that.

IDK if your listeners are

The average of farmers in this country is north of 60. What’s gonna happen. That’s the average age of farmers in this country.

that means there’s a lot of 70 and 80 year. There’s a lot of 40 year old farmers.

we’re aging our population out of this very important and fundamental occupation. Where we actually are in touch with the earth. We’re making a difference out there. I don’t think people realize this farmers provide tremendous economical severe.

As we have more land occupied by tenants instead  o f farmer owners

we’er losing the connection to do those ecological services

to provide the drainage

there reason we have flood problems in the midwest

is because we no longer have the ability to absorb the water that falls on our land.

grass fed beef on healthy pastures

you dramatically increase the ability of the oil

you keep nitrates

city of des moines spends on water treatment

because of crap farmers are putting on their lines.

trying to get recoup because the city the water, the water! Right? Plants and people are made of water and grass and the water is polluted! IT’s undrinkable now because of the crap way people are managing farmland. That’s not gonna change in a cheap food economy. It’s not gonna change unless we get more we need more

sustainable farmers small farmer get on the land, off the tractor seat.

go be on the land

be a part of it….

I like it. I think listens will too!!

Do u have an inspiration tip or quote to help motivate our listeners to reach into that dirt and start their own garden?

Carl Hammer is a compost maker extradorinaire, VT compost company, but I’ve worked with carl for years and years

he is a compost master

compost is held together

little bubbles where the how the earthworms that’s what we call soil structure

is a substance called glominlin, that’s what makes them stick together into something we would actually call soil. Carl says “glomilin is the glue that holds the world together”

when your farming and

your out there with the soil. Your interacting and participating in the glue that holds the water together.

Do they ship it anywhere? Coming up with good compost is hard to do? Were ‘ alway looking for good soil.

 

VT specialty is potting soils

if your looking for compost

Let’s talk about what it means if it’s labeled as organic

the only regulations are around food

if your buying something that says your buying

if your

can you put together a truckload

that’s going further something west

last stop on the

i think you

gardener’s supply company

too

How do we connect with you?

Go ahead to listen to farmer-to-farmer

find us on iTunes, stitcher

pod servers?
check out the website  Farmer-to-Framer podcast. you can also see some of the other work I’m doing at Purple Pitchfork and Farmer-to-Framer podcast.

 

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