221. Edible and Ecological Landscapes | Ecologia Design | Michael Judd | Frederick, Maryland

Kickstarter converstation – PawPaws prechat

Ultimately it comes down to your community

ones you hear about being famous

something you can buy

a collapsable hat


raise 100k

video games

social a book

your network

interest within that network for what you’re doing


small network

I have 8-10k people that are supposedly tuning in to what I’m doing, I’m really having to work it to get kickstarter to kick in. It’s not easy money. 

that’s where your support will come from

hopeful doing things like this will help. Definitely

most of the support

But also it markets what your doing

I’m already marketing my book

getting people to know about it

im a paw paw person

a lot of work

not a lot of money

marketing before it’s written

community around what you’re doing

they appreciate

Scott mann from the permaculture podcast


book giveaways

cross pollinating


Edible Landscaping with a Permaculture Twist: How to Have Your Yard and Eat It Too


Long Creek Homestead permaculture site is just north of downtown Frederick, Maryland at the entrance to Gambrel State Park. Our 25 acre site is a woodland paradise situated along a peaceful rambling creek that offers a rich diversity of eco-zones and resources to work with and learn from. We have multiple food forests, at different ages and stages that boast over 100 varieties of cultivated fruits, nuts and medicinals. Our gardens are designed on raised bed Swales and hugelkulture beds that passively harvest water, create micro-climates and pump food! We grow many types of culinary mushrooms throughout the landscape for food and fertility. In 2016 we completed building our circular round wood timber framed straw bale home that celebrates the beauty and craft of using local resources.

I don’t divide architecture, landscape and gardening; to me they are one.

-Luis Barragan

Consulting & Design – Rain GardenConsult/Design

Whether it is a first time garden or diversification of an already productive landscape our consultations are tailored to your goals and site potentials. Designer Michael Judd is an experienced designer able to ‘read’ landscapes quickly and bring to life numerous approaches and options that make your landscape more productive, ecological and beautiful. His perspectives and varied experience lay the framework that result in successful and enjoyable projects.


Tell us a little about yourself.

I live in Maryland we live on a permaculture homestead

means it’s ecologically designed

circular straw bale



wood covered with soil

slowly breaking down

perennial fruite and berries

living willow dome


hardy to cold weather

fast growing

willow temples

8 foot long live willow rods

Vermont willow

very inexpensive to start

build a rebar frame first

willow dome

2-3 years becomes they magical place

look good and be productive

you can have your yard and eat it too

creatively mixed into a very beautiful landscape

high end HOAs

urban restaurant designs

lots of food

Tell me about your first gardening experience?

center of my belief

these approaches

How did you learn how to garden organically?

my journey has been all around the world

started living in Latin America

south eastern Spain

now a desert

spaghetti westerns

lived with an english

crack in the desert that we san oasis

ran a mile through it

moors a 1000 years ago

flooded irrigation

terra and flood irrigation

crack nine the desert

worked on these ancient traces

similar type climates

biodynamic farming out in colorado


natural building

new Mexico

now here my living and my life is working with the land

helping people grow and connect



if your not working hard your not doing it


harvesting your rain water


mulching well

set that up

bones up structure

whatever you plant will thrive

just kind of run out there

design up front

edible landscaping with

simplifies these approaches

breaks it down into these projects

you don’t have to understand the dynamics of permaculture or even edible landscaping

you can build an herb spiral

start off you have success

encourages you to

how do you create swales

passively harvest rainwater

every time it rains

huge difference in its productivity

how its done

you love

creates a basin

dug out basin

walking path next to your raised burn

on contour

stops and steeps into ground

recharges the water table

40- feet downslope

mulch that


I call the herb spiral edible architecture

you’ve got this beautiful garden

more growing space for the diameter of the footprint

over almost anything

wet spot

over the driveway

you can make them really big

not just herbs

small urban yards

one little area that has some sunshine

spiraling up

sky scraper in a way

more surface as it runs all the way up

more inches to plant into


create a very micro climate

really on the cusp


put a lot of masonry around it, stone or brick

that will collect and radiate heat

earlier in the spring

go later

Tell us about something that grew well this year.

Lots of things well

willow temple

paw paws

paw paw tree

50lbs of fruit


when you go inside of a willow temple or dome it’s a very magical space

quite large

at least 16 feet in diameter

20 people in there comfortably

just to hang out


living willow dome

reminds me of your questions about your first garden experience


Is there something you would do different next year or want to try/new?

I am gonna work more with the Cornelian cherry

fruiting dogwood

quite a delectable fruit

corneous mass

ciousa dogwood

knobby red fruit full of lots of seeds

cornelian cherry

plump juicy


tart fruit

grows well into climate as well

edible landscape all stars

beautiful form

need to see more


a couple of the characters I’m working with

Juju bee trees

put them in the classy

some of swales before I’m gonna get

understand what they need more




lot of deer here too

designing for that

black currants pack a lot of flavor


easy to grow

value add well

best jam

infused vodka

a lot of punch


purple dark fruit


in that same category


beautiful bush

very productive

very medicinal

not as great for eating fresh out of hand



very different then eating it raw

choke berry




tough character


place on your land

usually planting


some varieties

eastern northern

english eating

if you grew up there

really tart

some people like that

I’m not one of them

add a little bit of sugar

exquisite jam



Tell me about something that didn’t work so well this season.

juju bee

where a plant has developed

leaf size

mesquites with very small leaves

huge leaf

developed in a human

understory of trees

leaf structure

juju bee


play with the conditions

too heavy of clay

going back around

all of the above

to get fresh material

bare root

burnt ridge nursery

rain tree nursers

if they are not thriving

if they are not too big when they are dormant

I grow a lot of things in tree pots

deep pots

regardless of what I am growing

grow them out that way

making things

if somethings not doing great in a spot

if there’s a tree

taking a lot of space

putting something that will do well there

learning going

pots to move

Bob Quinn

in Montana grows

food s

Which activity is your least favorite activity to do in the garden.

carrying heavy stuff

I like being outside

I don’t do much of

throw down newspaper and straw

carry heavy stuff

What is your favorite activity to do in the garden.

I love to propagate



intimate interactions with perennials

mostly work with perennials

heavy annual agriculture

intensity of input for output

very productive

annual produce seed every year

tomatoes corn



live 3-4 years

soft perennials

hard perennials

pop up

lemon balm


pops up

dies back ground

no woody material in it

hard perennials

form woody trunks sor stems

black currants

apple tree

What is the best gardening advice you have  ever received?

design for neglect

i think that even with best intentions

of your time

what you think you will do or take care of

will not be able to manage for the best

things will thrive anyway

working with permaculture

digging those sales

urbe spirals

habitat for things to thrive in

took me 5 years to build the straw

everything on my landscape got neglected

design and structure

planted things that were hardy

design for neglect

wonderful to life in

very organic structures in a good way

they breathe


you feel that

the straw bales have to be able to breathe

you can’t slap concrete or stucco

earthen plaster



love living it

building in the round is art

more time

where your life is

still busy in life

straight lines

round structures

allows the mind to flow

doesn’t get bounced back at you

psychologically does something for living in

grow in a lot of climates

good boots and hats

foundation lifts bales

on the outside

have a traditional lime stucco

lime putty mixed with sand and applied

sloths off very easily

still breathes

don’t absorb heat


pull cool air in

let hot air out

all of the extra clay

absorb excess humidity

balanced naturally

air conditioned


heat the whole house with a finished design masonry stove

Are outgoing to talk about the mushrooms?

mushrooms grow very well in our neck of the woods

good indicator

energy to work with



medicinal reshie mushrooms

natural outdoors


dormant outside in the winter time

more then 3 years

growing mushrooms

really simplify it

start growing mushrooms on your own

space where there is a little moisture

squirt it with the hose



leave them outsides

A favorite tool that you like to use? If you had to move and could only take one tool with you what would it be.


tool from living in latin america

lonely tool a farmer will own literally

key it is to building


fits into

overall survival

choose one

A favorite recipe you like to cook from the garden?

I like to make cocktails

black currant infusions

full quart jar

freshly black currants

pour vodka

sit for about 4-6 weeks

shake it a little bit

pour that off

ice and drink it

mix a little bit of champagne

I like taking these unique

think about it an herbal tincture

tasking a whole lot

fudge it

A favorite internet resource?


is a online forum

lots of people sharing their experience

growing and building

permaculture goest into everything else


thread on permies

real life stuff

look is like we tried this unique thing…

A favorite reading material-book, mag, blog/website etc you can recommend?

I really like Lee Risch’s book

Hudson Valley of NY

his style



favorite books

uncommon fruits for every garden


juju be

easy to grow

commonly known about

easy to grow

reading his stuff


he aha a lot of


edible landscaping with a permaculture twist


gooseberries and currants

wonderful characters

well known in Asia



Chinese date

as it dries and the sugars concentrate it becomes very sweet like a date

apple cameral flavor

small tree

zone 6


If you have a business to you have any advice for our listeners about how to sell extra produce or get started in the industry?


learned a lot from different permaculture teachers

just doing it

getting enough experience with working with growing

creatable with it

observing the natural flow




huge success

watching and observing and working with

taking an idea

hit the vein

what is working well


observe and put things in

work is a lot less

observe for a year

its not always realistic

not starting right away

see where things work well

not really


what we’re doing

high tech

Final question-

if there was one change you would like to see to create a greener world what would it be? For example is there a charity or organization your passionate about or a project you would like to see put into action. What do you feel is the most crucial issue facing our planet in regards to the environment either in your local area or on a national or global scale?

we need to move back towards perennial agriculture

the more food that we get from perennials

more carbon we will be able to sequester

by planting more trees

wordy perennials and bushes

for our diet


needs we have as humans

sequester more carbon

greenhouse effect

global warming and weather

pretty direct correlation how we’re using our landscapes

what is on our plate

what the landscape looked like

based culture and diet

turning the soil

releasing carbon

intensively farming




root crops

more perennial

How do we connect with you?

website ecologia design



great information on there

circular straw bale on there

paw paws

running Kickstarter campaign

march 25th to help sponsor the publication of a book about paw paws

harvesting and using recipes

paw paws

Kickstarter helps me make it a reality

you sponsor a project a wonderful exchange

really creative something on their own

extended rewards



unique rewards

see more about paw paws

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