322. The 6 Principles of Resilient Behavior | Robin Kelson | Good Seed Company

Friday •  June 12, 2020

Recently Robin Kelson from the Good Seed Company was on the Beauty of Conflict Podcast

  • What disruptive change is and why it can be a good thing.
  • How we can tap into the intelligence and resilience in our bodies.
  • What six behaviors we need to become more resilient.
  • How we can thrive in the aftermath of the coronavirus.
  • Why collaboration and cooperation are crucial to our existence.
  • Why engaging the prefrontal cortex will enable us to be more resilient.
  • Why we, as humans, are not as individual or unique as we might think!

I can’t believe we didn’t see each other at Free The Seeds. I was downstairs trying to promote the Organic Oasis Guidebook. I have been so busy. School got out and my goal was to clean for 3 days and be done at noon today for this podcast and then relax before I start my new job for Gregg Clunis of Tiny Leaps on Monday. I have been listening to my new favorite podcast the Clutterbug!

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Tell us a little about yourself.

Sure! I have worn many hats among them as a biochemist and attorney with an expertise in intellectual property law so I come with that background, and I have always been really interested in what constitutes resiliency, although I didn’t call it that back then.

I got interested in what was the core of what I saw about 30 years ago an epidemic of chronic disorders in our culture

physical bodies and impacts on our bodies. I didn’t understand it, and I couldn’t get any satisfaction from the 

  • western
  • medical
  • chemical

scientific approach

I looked into it, i’ve led lots of

  • creating soil enhancements
  • re-nourishing the soil
  • now as the owner of the Good Seed Co  that sells heirloom seeds adapted to our region in montana where we live and particularly in the 

selecting and saving and sharing seeds for common use

without eating we are not nourished and we don’t keep the species going

I’m also a co-executive director of AEROMT

just metal to the petal particularly in response to the covid epidemic and it’s impact on the food system in Montana, all the work so many of our organizations have been doing on resiliency and sustainability

every single Montanan has ben impacted by it

opportunity to regrow our own food supply

1950 we grew about 70% of our own food and now it’s down to about 7%

a little bit about me

in my journey as you mentioned

a curiosity about resiliency

examples that exist in nature. I have been studying that because it intrigues me for 30 years. I have been talking about it recently from my own perspective there’s some really good systems for developing a resiliency. I call it 

developing resiliency intelligence.

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I didn’t really hear the term resiliency till you and I went to the AERO workshop back in 2017? 2018?

i think it’s good to start by defining sustainability and lets look at one in nature

they are 2 different terms and both have a place

a sustainable system is one that can keep going over time! The more then the inputs to the system are locally accessible and renewable the more sustainable that system!

So let’s look at a farm and what they need in order to grow food they need seeds

  • nourishment for the soil
  • power source
  • water underground to power the well

if they save their own seed that means their seeds are locally accessible and renewable. As long as they keep growing and saving them, that’s a sustainable activity.

If they make their own compost and use worm castings of that nature that’s locally accessible and renewable as opposed to buying chemical fertilizer that comes from Canada by way of Texas that’ s just not sustainable it’s not local.

The third would be if your power for your waterfall is local accessible renewable

it’s not dependent on getting access to gas or fuel

If you had an electric tractor or it was powered by biodiesel and plants that you grow

So that’s the definition of sustainable

The definition of Resilient

ability to be responsive and move through disruptive change

Disruptive change is defined as unpredictable and having high risk associated it

In the natural world it refers to shifts of tech plates

  • tsunamis
  • meteor that hit the planet
  • ice age

All of those are disruptive changes, not really predictable – maybe the ice age was predictable but you know what I am saying, you don’t have the opportunity to plan for it

We usually look at

  • high impact
  • high risk

as a negative

disruptive change can be positive

If you win the lottery you go from making $2500/month to 

has high risk and high impact it’s really impossible to plan. 

I like to say when the first baby shows up at your house but there’s absolutely no way to prepare for a new person in your life.

definition

resiliency

this intelligence

stems from an understanding that systems in nature, nature’s been around along time

species and systems that are still around today

they are by definition resilient,

they have survived and able to adapt to lots of examples of distributive change if we look at them we have some opportunities to say what is it they are doing that has supported their capacity to be resilient and how can we apply that to humans of all the species

we’re kind of the youngest kids on the block by a long shot

that’s the conversation and that’s the opportunity

 I like the way you talk about the baby because that makes it sound more tangible.

the reasons I talk about this

6 Practices of Resilient Species

6 principles of resilient behavior

if you will that have been extracted by really smart people

this work has come from lots of people

  • biophysicists
  • chemists
  • biologists
  • mathematicians

looking at the evolutionary record and the ecological record

A lot of this is taken from and synthesized from a book 

Learning From the Octopus- How Secrets from Nature Can Help Us Fight Terrorist Attacks, Natural Disasters, and Disease

Learning From the Octopus: How Secrets from Nature Can Help Us Fight Terrorist Attacks, Natural Disasters, and Disease 

an extraordinary human being no longer with us unfortunately, did a great job of applying it in the concept of national security

How to make our country more secure he did this right after 9/11

in our personal lives

our communities

obviously with relationship with the planet

fractal you can scope it up or scope it down everything I am telling you, where you can see it applied within a system in a body, or a country or a planet it’s all the same.

And agriculture is a really big part of it!

I want to start by saying this. We have a tendency to think ourselves that way as the youngest kids on the block, but the reality of it is, that almost every part of our system that makes us up as human beings is really ancient and well established system

  • circulatory system
  • immune system
  • ocular system
  • metabolic system

all of them they are taken from other species that came before us, so they have all that intelligence and resiliency built into them

pre-frontal cortex is our executive function, all of the thinking

planner

logically

serially

puts things into a stacked order

phenomenally successful at creating things, you see all the things we have created. I am not dissing our pre-frontal cortex, is the youngest part of us, the way we think doesn’t the rest of our body does

The opportunity is to teach to the part of us that does all the thinking, more holistically if you’re are willing to accept this, more maturely.

I am going to walk you through the 6 principles to send

very quickly

not in any particular order

the order I talk about them

  1. Resilient systems don’t try to plan for the unexpected or for disruptive change

too many different ways it can happen and disruption by definition means you can’t plan so why spend any time doing that, it doesn’t mean don’t try to plan, planning is good it has its place. But instead,

what resilient systems do it means they have put time and energy to be observant to unexpected changes in the environment and to be responsive to it.

An example I like, you think of a herd of deer white tailed deer, they aggregate as a herd, if one of them hears a noise that is unexpected, ears are fine tuned, they can feel vibrations intensely, if they hear something unusual white tail goes up and they see it and everybody scatters.

That is a way to respond to unexpected change.

So an example in our bodies is an example with the immune system:

Imagine I’m putting my hand, can’t see the gate

  • I get a splinter or something
  • I cut my finger
  • immediately have this immune system set up
  • the antibodies in the immune system are just waiting to see if something happens and then a series of events goes into motion

unexpected event

the next thing is that resilient systems respond to disruptive change

ability to be decentralized

autonomy to take care of that systems to take care of the unexpected event

nothing has to run up a flagpole

with my cut finger in a fraction of a second the nerve endings, I immediately get signal, pain happens, series of chemical send platelets to the cut to patch up the hole, and antibodies to see if antigen needs to get eaten or some adrenaline if I need to move quickly, but all sorts of things that don’t engage brain, until the point I look at until i put water on this, before I think, if I had to coordinate the nerve endings, I’d probably bleed out

decentralized

the ability to

decentralized you are giving autonomy to all the different systems

  • common goal
  • common agreement
  • common purpose

all my systems are in agreement that the goal is to keep me alive so I can procreate and produce progeny to keep the species going, that’s the common goal

so in nature, there’s lots of examples, there’s a really cool one if you ever saw finding Dori, that was the sequel in finding memo, there was this octopus who can camouflage himself in the drop of the hat.

octopi can camouflage themselves to become part of the environment around them, it happens by chromophore on each of their arms that couldn’t be organized by a central thought process

  • less planning
  • decentralization is key
  • redundancies

Redundancy. Resilient systems have redundancy built in

number of

2 copies of DNA

plants have 3-4 copies

if something happens to one gene you only need one copy of the gene in the body to move forward

key to why we are able to be who we are today in our immune system, we don’t have one anti-body, we have 5 classes of antibodies

cell type

we don’t have one kind of immune system we have 2. One in the blood stream that comes out of our blood cells and another in the thymus

lots of redundancy built into our systems

in the natural world of centipedes who have 100 feet can probably lose up to 15% of them and be ok, IDK if they actually need all 100 and still be able to move across great and allow some of them to be lost over the course of their lifetimes.

That’s the first 3

that’s the

networks

the fastest way to communicate information and change which is a pathway of interconnected links how we communicate everything

  • electronically
  • chemically
  • neurologically
  • how all biological systems work

When you’re thinking about business or your life think networks most effective way to effect change

symbiosis

if you want to experience transformational change or impact, you must participate and engage other

  • people
  • components
  • you can’t do it all by yourself
  • no species on the planet

most anyone or thing can maximize it’s impact by him or herself is additive it’s only when you engage and participating with others that you can get exponential change which is essential for resiliency

impact

  • around the world
  • in multiple niches
  • in multiple environments

That’s key

These are things we are not doing right?

What’s interesting, it is what we do in a crisis if you think about what we did 

  • after Katrina
  • or after covid here

So many examples of neighbors stepping up and helping out and using networks 

when we go into fear

  • structural level
  • higher political levels

We contract and constrict trying to plan out how to  prevent and 

non resilient behaviors

governmental level we might have had a higher positive impact in response to covid if we had been more of an invitation for 

  • participation between states
  • more organized way of learning from what other countries who were experiencing covid before us
  • participating with them etc

it’s very common at the structural level that we can constrict and go into fear

Not just in the US it’s a very common response to disruptive change

we

said and wrote his book was the way we responded to 9/11 which actually just didn’t have the impact it intended to have I can go down that road but that’s not why we are here

last thing I will say last before we get into ag key to resilient systems is that they are recursive is it learns along the way

leans into what works, thinking about just impacting what didn’t work

disruptive change and how to respond to it you have to realize it’s a learning along the way

make change in response to what works

You can actaually graph this out how nature has done this over time and every example of a spiral is leaning into the yes if you will

Fibonacci spiral is a graphical expression of learning into the yes

being adaptive is being willing to learn along the way

 that’s key. None of this is black and white, I’m not saying only one is being good.

I feel like one thing you are going to tell us is part of being key to being healthy to begin with and having a strong immune system.

sure making food choices that speak to your well being

All of that is part of it, keeping all your systems working well

the other thing I will say is that the way our mind works particularly when we are in fear ~ good bad way of thinking ~ that’s not the way resiliency works

Let’s take an example from the food growing world

We have now moved into an approach to ag that is driven by monocultures one of the things we learn when you start growing monocultures is you have disrupted a whole system of organisms that knew how to work together and we’re in a relationship to the soil and we are learning.

a new relationship with the soil

we’re learning so much

  • elegant
  • intelligent
  • far more complex than anyone thought

start mono-cropping you start to get impacts to the quality you grow

  • call those weeds
  • pests or bugs

our mindset os we’ll just get

  • rid of it,
  • just kill it
  • while we just developments

Spend gobs of money getting rid of that what we don’t want,

billions of dollars later

mindset has been promoted at a corporate and government level

It worked for 4-5 years or 5-10 years it worked over time

Let’s just look at glyphosate

Glyphosate is just one of many, many chemcials

within the first 5 years it was a godsend for farmers they didn’t have to deal with weeds, how fabulous!

Didn’t have to

in our binary world, they’ve come back

they’ve

  • make it stronger
  • cocktail

We’re still in a binary mindset

So if you go down under the soil and look at it from the plant’s point of view, this chemical that is being applied to the plant root or soil, if you look at it from the prospect of the pant or the soil organism

that’s just a disruptive event, nothing more or less, then what will they do?

They will say, I have to work with this, it’s a new change to my environment, so they will think, I will work with this so the species will survive

made up of lots of systems within it

that’s what shows up 3-4 years later, we have glyphosate weeds, they have adapted

does not matter

  • what you do
  • what we as humans to “kill” these organisms
  • they will just adapt
  • too many systems built into them

Instead what would be appropriate would be to work with them

  • permaculture
  • regenerative agriculture 
  • all that intelligence of system agriculture comes from

illusion and non-functional approach to think we have the skill set to get rid of any other  system that has been around millions of years longer then us

do you have any questons?

I was thinking well what do we do, but is that what we do is practice permaculture and regenerative ag systems?

What we do is shift our thinking to one of, to think I as a human know more

We used to think soil was just something brown, maybe tilth or something, but we did not have understanding of the incredible relationship between plants and soil and everything else we don’t see so easily.

There is a mindset to the way we think of humans that put us at the top of a food chain as the most intetelligent and it’s limiting, and that mindset in my humble opinion that impedes us to survive and be sustainable on this planet

include these principles

of resiliency

how can I build

  • more resiliencency and
  • more decentralized
  • more responsibleness
  • develop relationship with my fail

adaptive

reconstructive

more we shift how we think the more we will be able to actually see and the more we can engage in the environment the more we be able to build more relationships with every other thing on the planet that will allow us to survive and remain as a reliable species on a planet

I honestly our capacity to survive as a species is limited by the way we think and this is an opportunity to think differently.

It’s adapted from lots of sustainable ag systems.

So does part of it have to do with not having these huge mono-cultures? You talked about in the beginning trying to get back to more people growing their own food and that we used to grow 70% and now we only grow like 7%?

so yes, just to that piece, I’m referring to the state of Montana. Even though Montana is a leading industry in agriculture, most of the food is grown is exported.

imported

not very sustainable

not accessible and not renewable

We’re buying so much stuff from quite a ways away

ate here what we grow here.

sustainable food system for the state of Montana

evidence literally is

incontrovertible

If we move to agriculture that works relationship to the environment and the organisms on the planet in the area that we are growing that is a farm more sustainable system and a far more resilient system.

One of the things COVID pointed out, is the reliance on food coming in from a distance we felt disruptions in the capacity especially for food insecure Montanans

harder to get food

This was not that big of a disruption but people felt the impact at the same time

big ag

relies on chemical and fertilizer coming from manufacture operations all over the world so a disruption in their supply significantly impacts their ability to grow food they wanted to grow

mono-cropping is not sustainable because the inputs that are needed to manage large mono crops are at the affect of distruptive change

  • they all come from a distance
  • they’re expensive
  • you have to have money to get them
  • way they work
  • relies on access to cash

access to a distribution system

right there they are at risk from a sustainability perspective and from a resililence perspective 

more people growing locally and with a permacutlure and regenerative way the more generative the food systems will be

I was talking to a woman from soil kit, and she is really interested in organic practices and she said the most interesting was what was going on down in Cuba. I think it has something to do with the fact because they don’t have a lot of money to invest so they figured out organic farming to help them so they could feed their population because they were shut off.

1959 came, CASTRo came into power, ostracized by the rest of the world, living on shoestring.

disruptive change

  • access to chemical fertilizers
  • access to seed

was all cut off, so they had to save their seed and save it fast

So they are experts at organic regenerative practices

do they have a sustainable system?

Why because they can only survive if they can feed themselves

developed a system that has renewable inputs that are locally accessible! Great example!

What’s the big take away listeners can get to implement some change in their garden or for their buying habits or educating their neighbors?

Let’s look at a backyard garden!

I would start by leaning into growing regeneratively

What does that mean as a backyard grower?

Using compost or worm castings to feed your soil, to relationship between the soil microbes and your plant that is a whole other conversation we could have.

There is and extraordinary intelligence there that we are just starting to scratch the surface.

tilling the ground is not very helpful, what you are doing is the homes of all the microbes that are building that soil are being destroyed

end up creating

honest garden might look chaotic to the naked eye but plants are working together

soil microbes

companion planting is really important

Really our job as growers is to feed the soil

You are feeding the microbes in the soil if you feed them they are the ones that feed the plants!

let’s look at our digestive system, everybody knows about the micro-biomes in our gut and the role they play for digesting our food. We get our nutrition because it’’s all systems, that’s a system all the relations between the microbes in our gut

break down the food to extract the nutrients, that get extracted into our circulatory system allowing us to thrive as human beings

analogous system happens with plants, but it’s outside the plant, all the microbes around the root cells and hairs are the digestive components of thefood and the plan needs, literally the  same just outside. The immune system in plants outside is outside and associated with roots of plant

extraordinary example plants have 

thrived because of the relationship they have with soil microbes, and vice versa it’s definitely a symbiotic relationship. 60 % of sugars pants generate thorough photosynthesis through the soil through the microbes in the soil, they do that so they can do the digestive and immune system plants all need

To get back to our backyard grower. Our job is to maintain the soil microbes, they will do the work of feeding our plants and providing them with the nutrients minerals vitamins that we eat the food that we need

source of

less we do to disrupt it the better.

Stay away from chemical fertilizers, keep the miracle grow on the shelf, all of that impedes

best that you can do is give it biological compost or worm castings

they are full of life and all the things a plant needs so if you provide that to the soil, and water the soil and keep the relationship between the soil and plant undisturbed.

they will multiply and integrate propertly to extract the nutrients from teh soil and proveid to the plants. 

Can I put something in here, this is so true even in your LAWN!!! Even last year when I walked out of the Buffalo right by First Interstate in Whitefish, there were those stupid little yellow flags there saying don’t walk on this grass for 24 hours because we sprayed chemical pesticides here to kill the weeds! YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS!!!! The microbes that make your lawn healthy and grow strong are the same exact microbes and so this applies the same way!!!!!

exact

weeds are indicator plants

they’re called pioneer plants

they show up when we have a distribution or disturbance in the soil

turn stuff up

construction and you pull back the top soil, that’s a disturbance and weeds tend to be

pioneer plants

grow fast

annuals

produce seed the first year and produce a lot of seed

reason for that

planet’s perspective the planet doesn’t like to have bare soil you’re just losing nutrients to the wind

If you look at the planet anywhere there is nowhere there is naturally bare soil

whenever it’s covered with

  • dandelions
  • forest
  • alfalfa fields

Left to it’s own devices the system components of the planet will cover it and weeds are good at that! That’s their job!

When we are artificially fertilize our ground for our lawns, we are actually telling the soil microbes they are not needed and becomes a sterile environment that becomes attractive to pioneers that the weeds like! 

I keep thinking back to this friend of mine last year that bought this house and the yard was just completely filled with dandelions and it was a huge lawn and you could just see how unhealthy the soil was so light brown, and just dusty, needed clover and care. Even my mom, I’m like you need clover! So much clover. Things like that, to help it, no where does it want to have bare soil.

There are so many examples of once people start to regenerate the soil though practices 

The rule of thumb used to be that it took somewhere between 100 and 1000 years to grow an inch of soil on nature’s scale

based on a way of thinking that made sense at the time but we’re learning if you feed the soil microbes, there are myriads of examples of farms that are generating inches of soil within a handful of years

another phrase I have heard recently that I think is really important is that 

there is no such thing as bad soil but there is not intelligent management of the soil

every soil can be replenished

providing the biological life and feeding it

One of the amazing thing about dandelions is they have this huge taproot, anyone who has tried to get rid of them knows how big those roots are, but the value of that root can push it’s way from way down deep and bringing it up to the surface as the plant dies now those nutrients are now in the biomass that will eventually degrade

So the dandelion serves a valuable purpose! 

you can move this along a whole lot faster by applying lots of biomass on it

starting with degraded soil

start by putting a lot of leaf mulch things that are going to degrade

brown manure

green manure

biology in the form of active compost or worm castings which has a lot of biological life in it

eat mature they will eventually start to break down and change the structure  of the  degraded soil space and bring life to it.

There are myriad examples

break up that compacted soil you can get air and water in there so you have room for plants to grow more deeply it all builds on itself, the system knows what to do

all you need to do is provide the beginning

you’ve never seen anyone go in and fertilize a forest they do on their own because they have this relationship of biomass feeding to the ground.

You know who else talked about this, was Danny Swan who talked aobut going into old buildngs and old abandoned lots and covering it with soil and covering it with huge amounts of compost and turing that soil into vegetable beds.

Do you want to talk about any of the gardens you‘ve been tending? 

I have 5 gardens this year!

I am endeavoring to resupply my seed stock because COVID was having a huge impact on anyone selling seeds in the sense that it created a desire for lots of people to buy seeds!

Hopefully that was so they would put them in the ground and grow food

All seed companies experiences increase in sales and there fore reduction in their seed stock. I am trying to replace my seed stock

growing out all of my tomato varieties which I have never done before

down to

pepper seed supply

big things I’m doing, that’s different so I need to scale in variety and quality

exponential growth so we’ll see what happens there

I’m a tiny weeny little company, but I guarantee that impact is being felt across all seed companies so we will see what that brings.

What tomatoes are you growing and why do you have 5 gardens? People give you space?

combination of things

  1.  access to and that I don’t own
  2.  grow things that might cross so cross pollinate is not an issue

What’s that like, do you have to go to each place? Are they close enough?

depends on the time of year what needs doing

WF/CFalls area

I believe in timers for my watering system saves me and saves the plants!

I also grow them in a way as much as possibly that’s regeneratively, I have mulch on them there is no bare ground on my plants

I grow them in a well that is surrounded by other plants and mulch material that helps a lot, that is a key component

patti armbrister I know has been on a couple of times, she has her systems so well, she can leave town, I have known her to leave for 10 days in the height of July. She waters before she goes and she is completely confident that everything is going to be most 

because of the humidity

water system

There is a way to grow things that is not so labor intensive. It’s messy looking if you are not used to it.

What does your water system look like? are those like htose teeny tiny hoses that I have seen? Is it a regular hose hooked up? 

depends on the garden

  • community garden hand water only so I handwater those
  • drip irrigation system on a couple of my gardens those are on timers
  • I have an overhead on one timer

value timer

I think drip irrigation is helpful delivers water in a timely amount, if you have a timer it works well

I am on a filter system so that dechlorinates the water I think that is important. 

the one thing I don’t like about drip system it’s a fair amount of plastic

extraordinary

time saver

mulching is extremely important whether it’s straw or grass clippings as long as you don’t chemicals your grass, that’s a great way to keep any soil surface covered on your garden to keep soil cover moist, if you have bare soil it’s gonna increase transportation if it’s covered it will stay moist its like adding an umbrella to your soil

planting large plants surface area – 3 Sisters method

squash plants in the three sisters model of corn, beans squash the squash voters the surface area around the corn and beans roots’ soil moist over a period of time.

Reduce your water usage

and create happier plants

also highly recommend periodically at least once a week if you can, washing plants if you will that you make a foliar spray from worm castings or compost tea

lots of cities have quality compost that you could make tea

It’s super easy to make a worm bin

I invite people to do the work of creating one where they live and make their own worm tea

locally accessible

Worms will eat your table scraps all that stuff you cut off when you are cutting your vegetables that you may not eat I produce a ton of food scraps that I can’t eat that my worms make for me. I’m just one person imainge what a family of four could do?

and it’s not messy, I was so hesitant about having one in my classroom. I don’t understand people who don’t compost. At one point you mentioned companion planting are tomatoes and peppers companions?

they’re both night shade plants

thing about

detour here

they’re easy to save seed from

what we eat is the fruit the tomato or the pepper

time we eat that fruit, the seed is ripe

growing that crop for food production youre also growing it for seed production

Oh, cause like lettuce and radishes that take longer to go to seed.

whole different thing

so I’m growing them both now

different thing

companion planting is a plant that has some other positive impact for a plant that you’re wanting to grow

brassicas

  • kales and cabbages
  • collards
  • broccolis
  • cauliflower

all a genus called brassica and they can be susceptible to cabbage leaf moth, white moth with the little black spots on it

You may or may not be thinking of right now but they are very common and they start as a tiny green caterpillar

cabbage

but you can interplant them with marigolds or calendula

that will impede the caterpillars

territorally

lay eggs

eat the cabbage

they don’t seem to like marigolds or calendula so that is a way to discourage the moths from coming into your cabbage or brassicas

another good companion are nasturtiums so they actually attract the moths, so if you plant them somewhere else

they will attract the moths

two examples of companion plants

another thing that is a good companion or plant or anything you are trying to keep pests from coming to

aromatics

mints

lavenders

anything that makes an oil

insects that would be laying eggs on the plants

don’t seem to like plants that like oils

thyme

anything in the mint family

oregano

marjoram

helpful as well.

 

goodseedco.net

has both a shop where you can buy your seeds and it also has resources on everything I have been learning in my short tenure with the company.

companion planting

there’s resources there and theres a ton of good resources online as well

I think listeners probably are going to like this some perspective on what they are doing right and what they could do.

I love all the compost things 

You don’t really have to understand how it works, just make sure you appreciate it is doing for us.

 

Right now I am drafting a white paper and I want to get as many organizations as possible to sign it and then we are going to submit it to the governor and say get behind this campaign and create a council to make it happen

no resign to do this

skilled at finding out to to do this. We don’t have to redo this.

We don’t have to recreate the wheel.

Every montana has felt the impact of the disruption.

I don’t think we have even really started a disruption, we’re just starting to be honest.

I cant imagine one person who would say that’s not a good idea. We have to get the governmental power to develop the infrastructure. We need to get the support people in valuing Montana products and paying what it’s worth

we pay shit for our food. What’s his name, Purdue was so proud of saying, the secretary of agriculture that Americans pay less then 10% of their income on food. That’s insane. 

30% should go for food everything else should be less. The reason it’s so little is all subsidized and it’s crap.

That’s time for another conversation. I don’t have time for what I’m doing, but I gotta do it.

That’s how I feel about my podcast, it keeps me sane while all this crazy stuff is going on around us. I’m so glad my listeners keep me refreshed. There are days I feel scared to go out in my mask or even where a mask. 

After seeing that photo of the protest in Whitefish, I have had so much negative feedback on social media, I am taking a break from Facebook and I am literally scared someone in Eureka will say you liberal democrat how dare you wear a mask? 

There are stores requesting shoppers wear a mask. I’m like sure why not.

I don’t understand what has changed. We stayed home and it lowered the curve. So why is it suddenly ok to be around each other?

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